One amendment after another and another and 3 sets of drafting later, the builder still got it wrong!!
The list started with 16 mistakes on the FINAL Drawings. That was take ONE. Most of them were then amended. There was still some dispute with the staircase situation on the size of the void being bigger than the display home, thus reducing the size of the cloak room downstairs & the 2 bedrooms next to the stairs. We wanted that as per the display home but due to the drafting program, this could not be done, the cloakroom was cut by 40cm and only 20cm was returned.
Since we indicated that we wanted the void to be smaller and this could not be done by increasing bedroom size, our builder decided to increase the size of the 2 pillars to make them bigger to fill the void!!!!! So,when we inspected the 2nd draft, we had to say NO and stated that if the bedrooms cannot be increased in size, there is no point amending the pillars to fit the size of the void we wanted. So, we would need to change the plans again!
In an attempt to hasten the process, I picked up the plans personally and Dave went through it that night. He spotted YET another error! The builder has amended the plans one one sheet and again dimensions differed from another! YOU KNOW WHAT? We were really tired by picking up mistakes that should NEVER happen in the first place. I think its the drafter's job to make sure that all dimensions are right.
Not to mention that another dwarf wall that we had differed in size too; but it was explained to me, which at that point, I was too tired to bother much anymore. All I wanted was for the plans to be good enough so the actual builders on site know what to do - and both items were about 2cm in difference, we don't want to be so picky, but what dimensions do they base the build on in this case?? If the paperwork stage still isnt satisfactory at 3 drafts and still had errors, I don't know what to expect when site start begins.
Anyway, the paperwork is finally out of our hands, one and a half week later from initial final drawings stage!! Fingers crossed, we will be informed if we will get site start on 30th June and we will only find out on Tues, 29th June!
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Thursday, June 24, 2010
Tuesday, June 15, 2010
Building Experience .. hoping that it will be a better one...
Following the earlier issues we have mentioned in regards to the final drawings, we decided to go back to the display home and request a copy of the standard plans for the Amberlea display home. When we had a chat to the sales person, we found 14 other errors!
1. Staircase Probem - We idenfired the problem as to why we were asked to upgrade the stairs with another cost:
a. The hand rail of the stair case is KD hardwood in the contract but not in the final drawings?
b. The base plate is shown as Vic Ash already but the email said we had it in pine?
c.. It shows 15mm wrought iron balusters in the drawing but the contract (19-1) shows 15mm stainless steel. Interesting. I wonder what will they build when it comes to that?
2. The cloak room in the display home shows a slightly larger closet with a 720 door instead. We asked the sales person and the larger cloak room and 720 door are standard features for a home built based on the display home. This appears to have been made smaller in order to make way for more stairway space down the bottom.
3. The stair case in 3 sets of drawings show 15 steps. The stair case in one of the drawings shows 16 steps. Because we raised our ceiling height, the sales person said we should have 16 steps.
4. An extra wall has been added next to the front entrance. This is not in the Tarneit display home or in the plans for the Tarneit display home, and we signed the sales advise as per the display home template.
5. A rather significant issue for us and one that was difficult to pick up was that the void is actually incorrect in most of the drawings. Sheets 2, 2A show the distance between the pillars as 1670. Sheet 6 shows the distance between the pillars as 1450. More contradictions??
6. The bulkhead on sheet 2 between the garage and the store, we only just picked up, is not as per the display home. It should extend to outside the powder room and laundry. We questioned the sales person and determined that it is not an upgrade and should be part of any standard plans based on the Tarneit display home.
7. Linen cupboard in the laundry has been reduced from the base template for the display home. It should be 2010 in width. It looks like the door / wall to the laundry has been moved slightly to the right and therefore made the linen smaller.
8. There is no note on the drawing for the return air vent in the plan for the ground floor. This should be amended.
9. This is a really significant one and we are very lucky to have picked it up. The feature downstairs needs to be able to attach to the flu location upstairs. Looking at the location in the drawing, there doesn’t look to be any way in which the flu could connect with the flu location upstairs. Please have the location of the feature moved to the same location as in the display home.
10. We are sure if this is the way we are interpreting the drawing, but the wall between the ensuite shower and toilet depicted on sheet 5A appears to not go to the roof. If this is the case, then please amend to make sure it goes to the roof. This is as per the display home base template.
11. The contract specifies ceramic tiled splashback around the mirror in the ensuite vanity but its not reflected in the drawings.
12. The dimensions for the “cut out” window between the master bedroom and the ensuite are not correct. This was requested “as per display home”.
13. We requested the ensuite vanity as per display home. This included a wall on one side of the vanity. We noticed that the wall dimension is not as per the display home. It should be double size wall (180 and not 90).
14. The display home has a slight extension of the wall between the dining and family rooms as well as a bulkhead. The wall extension brings the wall in line with the edge of the “fireplace” feature and is essential for the house to look right. We questioned the sales person and this is not an upgrade for a home built on the display home and so should be included as standard.
I got a response from the builder to say that they will amend the plans in goodwill but stated that they are in their rights to not change anything as the plans we've signed at sales and at contract signing are the exact same as the final drawings. So rightfully they have not done anything wrong. It is a quite disappoting to get this kind of response when it will be impossible for them to build a house with different pages reflecting different outcomes anyway, I sure hope that after this paperwork mess, all would go well.
1. Staircase Probem - We idenfired the problem as to why we were asked to upgrade the stairs with another cost:
a. The hand rail of the stair case is KD hardwood in the contract but not in the final drawings?
b. The base plate is shown as Vic Ash already but the email said we had it in pine?
c.. It shows 15mm wrought iron balusters in the drawing but the contract (19-1) shows 15mm stainless steel. Interesting. I wonder what will they build when it comes to that?
2. The cloak room in the display home shows a slightly larger closet with a 720 door instead. We asked the sales person and the larger cloak room and 720 door are standard features for a home built based on the display home. This appears to have been made smaller in order to make way for more stairway space down the bottom.
3. The stair case in 3 sets of drawings show 15 steps. The stair case in one of the drawings shows 16 steps. Because we raised our ceiling height, the sales person said we should have 16 steps.
4. An extra wall has been added next to the front entrance. This is not in the Tarneit display home or in the plans for the Tarneit display home, and we signed the sales advise as per the display home template.
5. A rather significant issue for us and one that was difficult to pick up was that the void is actually incorrect in most of the drawings. Sheets 2, 2A show the distance between the pillars as 1670. Sheet 6 shows the distance between the pillars as 1450. More contradictions??
6. The bulkhead on sheet 2 between the garage and the store, we only just picked up, is not as per the display home. It should extend to outside the powder room and laundry. We questioned the sales person and determined that it is not an upgrade and should be part of any standard plans based on the Tarneit display home.
7. Linen cupboard in the laundry has been reduced from the base template for the display home. It should be 2010 in width. It looks like the door / wall to the laundry has been moved slightly to the right and therefore made the linen smaller.
8. There is no note on the drawing for the return air vent in the plan for the ground floor. This should be amended.
9. This is a really significant one and we are very lucky to have picked it up. The feature downstairs needs to be able to attach to the flu location upstairs. Looking at the location in the drawing, there doesn’t look to be any way in which the flu could connect with the flu location upstairs. Please have the location of the feature moved to the same location as in the display home.
10. We are sure if this is the way we are interpreting the drawing, but the wall between the ensuite shower and toilet depicted on sheet 5A appears to not go to the roof. If this is the case, then please amend to make sure it goes to the roof. This is as per the display home base template.
11. The contract specifies ceramic tiled splashback around the mirror in the ensuite vanity but its not reflected in the drawings.
12. The dimensions for the “cut out” window between the master bedroom and the ensuite are not correct. This was requested “as per display home”.
13. We requested the ensuite vanity as per display home. This included a wall on one side of the vanity. We noticed that the wall dimension is not as per the display home. It should be double size wall (180 and not 90).
14. The display home has a slight extension of the wall between the dining and family rooms as well as a bulkhead. The wall extension brings the wall in line with the edge of the “fireplace” feature and is essential for the house to look right. We questioned the sales person and this is not an upgrade for a home built on the display home and so should be included as standard.
I got a response from the builder to say that they will amend the plans in goodwill but stated that they are in their rights to not change anything as the plans we've signed at sales and at contract signing are the exact same as the final drawings. So rightfully they have not done anything wrong. It is a quite disappoting to get this kind of response when it will be impossible for them to build a house with different pages reflecting different outcomes anyway, I sure hope that after this paperwork mess, all would go well.
Thursday, June 10, 2010
Final Drawings... not final?
I got excited and a little unsure when I got a pack of documents from Simonds 2 days ago. They were the FINAL drawings and we were supposed to sign them as these will be the plans that they will use to build.
We went through them and found out these issues:
1. Site costs were $5k more than the provsional; we later found out that it was because there are easements bordering our property that the engineers found and due to this, we had to have piers built in and they cost more!
2. A little disappointed that we could not shift the TV point and add more double powerpoints to the house.
3. A few fine details were missed out on parts of the final drawings! ( I am not a detailed person by nature; and if I can spot these, I am a little worried.
4. This is pretty disappointing; our stairs were mis-quoted - see below:
Also our ordering estimator has brought to my attention that the internal stair case posts and stringers are currently pine. In the colour document you have chosen to have a clear finish to these pine posts and stringers. The estimator has advised that the posts and stringers are primed before delivery and due to this can’t be clear coated. He has advised that you will have to either have these painted in the colour of your choice or you can upgrade the timber posts and stringers to “Vic Ash” which is installed unprimed and can be clear coated. The cost for the “Vic Ash” stringers and posts is an additional $889. Please confirm what you would like to do.
We are just thinking, when will the hidden costs that keep on popping up end? We were shown a picture and we said ok - lets go with it. and now, we can't? I am waiting for a very valid response.
sigh... only when we rectify these, then we can send back the paperwork and start the process - looks like the 15th June site start is out the window now!
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